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i think harry reid is a difficult position. he wants obviously something to move forward that helps address part of the problem and i think if you look at 2014 and you look at the midterm elections, look at key states where democrats have to defend, red states, alaska, west virginia is an open seat, arkansas, these are rural states where the democrats have a different perspective on gun rights and have a better relationship, if you will, with the nra. that being said, i think everyone has come to terms that something needs to be done and the question is what can be done, what should be done, then also, what can pass not just the senate, by the way, but also the house. that's why i think you are seeing this movement towards not universal background checks. i personally don't like that term because i think it exaggerates what the reality is. we're talking about criminal background checks, strengthening what is already in place so that it's fair and balanced for everyone. >> one thing, though, with the senate and dianne feinstein
i think harry reid is a difficult position. he wants obviously something to move forward that helps address part of the problem and i think if you look at 2014 and you look at the midterm elections, look at key states where democrats have to defend, red states, alaska, west virginia is an open seat, arkansas, these are rural states where the democrats have a different perspective on gun rights and have a better relationship, if you will, with the nra. that being said, i think everyone has come...
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. >> senate majority leader harry reid says he'll try to force a floor vote as early as this week. some republicans say he'll try to delay hagel's confirmation until after next week's break. but they aren't expected to fully block it. one of hagel's former republican colleagues, indiana's dick lugar, said tuesday it's hagel's politics, not his policy, that got him into trouble. >> senator hagel's main transgression is that he is a republican. who has questioned policies that are sacred among most conservative senators. the intensity of opposition that senator hagel is encountering is grounded in the resentments of some conservatives inside and outside the senate who regard his independent thinking as political blasphemy for which he should not be rewarded. >> that wasn't all lugar had to say. in his first major speech since leaving the u.s. senate the long-time senator said conservatives and the media have combined to bring any hope for legislating to a grinding halt. >> a no compromise vision of conservatism may score points with cob servetive talk show hosts and campaign givers.
. >> senate majority leader harry reid says he'll try to force a floor vote as early as this week. some republicans say he'll try to delay hagel's confirmation until after next week's break. but they aren't expected to fully block it. one of hagel's former republican colleagues, indiana's dick lugar, said tuesday it's hagel's politics, not his policy, that got him into trouble. >> senator hagel's main transgression is that he is a republican. who has questioned policies that are...
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. ♪ >> can we talk about harry reid's gift? harry reid owns what happened with this fill buster. this is all him. he had the chance. not only did he promise he would do something about it, he had the chance to do something about it on the first day of the senate session. he could have done it with a 51% vote for filibuster reform and he didn't and we paid the price for it. stephanie: i couldn't believe he used the word shocking here. senator harry reid yesterday on the senate floor. >> shocking that my republican colleagues would leave the nation without a fully empowered secretary of defense during all the things we have going on in the world, including a war. stephanie: also shocked to find out there's gambling going on in vegas. >> few leon panetta has to go to the nato summit in brussels. he's like george bailey. he's never getting out of bedford falls. i got big plans. i love her. she's a peach. >> because republicans have a punish a republican for the crime of being right about iraq. stephanie: exactly. this talking voice memo, filibuster will fall shortly nomination blah b
. ♪ >> can we talk about harry reid's gift? harry reid owns what happened with this fill buster. this is all him. he had the chance. not only did he promise he would do something about it, he had the chance to do something about it on the first day of the senate session. he could have done it with a 51% vote for filibuster reform and he didn't and we paid the price for it. stephanie: i couldn't believe he used the word shocking here. senator harry reid yesterday on the senate floor....
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that could be if senator harry reid's argument -- that is essentially dead on arrival anyway. >> if diane feinstein doesn't have the assault weapons at least let her have an opportunity to offer this amendment. >> will you vote for it? >> i don't know, frankly -- and she knows i didn't read her amendment. i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it didn't make sense, but i'll take a look at it. >> joining me now to take a look at it. editor for the new republic, good to see you, my friend. >> thanks for having me on the show, ezra. >> so that didn't sound enormously encouraging from harry reid, kind of sounded like the assault weapons ban will get a bit of a pro forma vote and that is about it. >> i think everybody knew going into the fight the different elements of the gun legislation agenda, that the assault weapons ban would be one that had the hardest road ahead. in part because you know you still need 60 votes to pass anything in the senate. and in part because the republicans control the house. and in part because the gun lobby has made this a very hard vote to have.
that could be if senator harry reid's argument -- that is essentially dead on arrival anyway. >> if diane feinstein doesn't have the assault weapons at least let her have an opportunity to offer this amendment. >> will you vote for it? >> i don't know, frankly -- and she knows i didn't read her amendment. i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it didn't make sense, but i'll take a look at it. >> joining me now to take a look at it. editor for the new...
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he brought it to harry reid. if you remember, wait a minute, did he go to harry reid. >> sean: because he wanted it. >> anybody who was watching this show, knows i tried to vet you before the election that the loser would shave layer head and you wouldn't do it. >> sean: i'm not stupid. i knew it was going to be close, i predicted on this program it'd be close. and i said razor thin margin. >> okay, fine. say i had lost the bet and i shaved my head, that doesn't mean that the fact that i proposed the bet doesn't mean i want to shave my head. >> sean: all right. i've got it. >> this was supposed to motivate the-- >> this was the president's idea and bob woodward said it, too. and let me go to tucker carlson. i think we've got to throw in the towel. let me go to the president, the scare tactics, if you're conservative in this country you want to poison the air and water and don't care about children with down syndrome and autism and care about the elderly. we've got a fear mongering demagogue in the white house and
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senator harry reid calling for more tax increases. in an interview on abc yesterday, he said tax revenue must be part of any deal to be part of the little defense cuts. here is senator reid. >> the american people are on our side, and america people don't believe in these things. we believe the rich should contribute. stuart: relieve the rich should contribute, tax the rich. president obama pushing for more tax increases yesterday. in an interview on cbs before the super bowl he said there is no doubt that government needs new relation. he promises strong economic growth this year coming on the heels of an economic contraction in the fourth quarter along with the rise in the unemployment rate. and everybody's taxes already went up as of january 1, taxes may go up some more. from taxes to the market. the dow above 14,000 for the first time since 2007 friday afternoon. let's bring in nicole. it is not like it was going to hold at 14,000, now futures are down, how much are they down? nicole: you can see the down arrows, 69 points pulling
senator harry reid calling for more tax increases. in an interview on abc yesterday, he said tax revenue must be part of any deal to be part of the little defense cuts. here is senator reid. >> the american people are on our side, and america people don't believe in these things. we believe the rich should contribute. stuart: relieve the rich should contribute, tax the rich. president obama pushing for more tax increases yesterday. in an interview on cbs before the super bowl he said...
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guest: we note that harry reid and john boehner speak on a river basis. they try to speak once a week. there were conversations before recess about the possibility of all this. we don't know but perhaps there were discussions on the sidelines of the rosa parks statue unveiling yesterday. the house majority leader have been firm. the senate we'll -- we'll deal with it great otherwise, it does not look like there will be significant progress. we have to wait and see. the way it works, sometimes these conversations are ongoing. somebody is coming to the floor or a bill can be brought up and things can get moving again. we are in a wait and see mode. otherwise, we are waiting to see things go at the white house and whether lawmakers will jump in on friday or wait until next week. host: thank you for your time. ed o'keefe for the washington post. the "washington times" here is president obama and speaker boehner. never let it be said that president obama has failed to spend time with the begin leaders in seeking an alternative to budget cuts that will hit most
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and the nra has been kind of close to harry reid. they have not been adversarial to one another for years. and there is the rural culture of firearms in this country. but from what i'm told last night, they're going to try to get as much as they can on this. and the president is all in on this. the democrats are all in on it. it now comes down to the votes. house speaker john boehner was pressed about giving people the votes they deserve on gun safety today. here it is. >> how do we address violence in our society, how do we take meaningful steps to reduce that violence? and as i made clear for weeks, when the senate -- if the senate acts, we'll be happy to take a look at what they do. >> neera, is this a failure of leadership for boehner to just kick it over to the senate, we'll see what they do first? what do you make of that? >> i mean, i don't think americans define leadership by saying things like when the senate acts, we'll see what they can do. i think that really -- that kind of lackadaisical attitude towards something that p
and the nra has been kind of close to harry reid. they have not been adversarial to one another for years. and there is the rural culture of firearms in this country. but from what i'm told last night, they're going to try to get as much as they can on this. and the president is all in on this. the democrats are all in on it. it now comes down to the votes. house speaker john boehner was pressed about giving people the votes they deserve on gun safety today. here it is. >> how do we...
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the president's in charge and harry reid in charge of the senate. you'd thought we're in harge of everything, apparently. we're not. the president needs to show leadership. the house already sent forth proposals, sitting on harry reid's desk, he's done absolutely nothing to bring this to a head. he'll put a bill up with a great title, went be what we want and force you to do it, and, by the way, blame the republicans when it doesn't happen, and then they get to it after, obviously, the march 1 #st deadline. lou: military pay will not be affected by sequester. there's the prospect of possible rolling furloughs, one day a week, several effects that civilian employees, agreat number of them in the rolling fiduciary row situation if it does, in fact, occur. the idea of a sequester turns out to have been -- it seems to me, a monumental misjudgment on the part of both parties and the president, and i can't blieve we are sitting here march 1st, and neither the republican or the leadership says this is a stupid idea, and the only people with the power to co
the president's in charge and harry reid in charge of the senate. you'd thought we're in harge of everything, apparently. we're not. the president needs to show leadership. the house already sent forth proposals, sitting on harry reid's desk, he's done absolutely nothing to bring this to a head. he'll put a bill up with a great title, went be what we want and force you to do it, and, by the way, blame the republicans when it doesn't happen, and then they get to it after, obviously, the march 1...
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reid's job and harry reid and his lieutenants obviously schumer and durbin, are supposed to get that budget done. it's shameful and really should be doing it. they say they're going to do it this time, i wouldn't hold your breath. how do you run a business and your own household if you don't have a budget. how to you set the priorities of senate and congress it's unacceptable. >> you've been at state of the union addresses and you have experience at that level of government. what are the things that if people knew about the senate, what would you want to tell them, that most surprise you in terms of its dysfunction? >> well, the biggest thing that people needed to understand that there's one person and that's the majority leader, harry reid that controls everything, and the scheduling, with a bills are brought up and when he brings up a bill, for example, when he brought up the dream act. he brought it up. we're going to pass it tomorrow. take it or leave it, no amendments, nothing, shuts off the debate and tries to ram things through and spot people over those votes or lack thereof.
reid's job and harry reid and his lieutenants obviously schumer and durbin, are supposed to get that budget done. it's shameful and really should be doing it. they say they're going to do it this time, i wouldn't hold your breath. how do you run a business and your own household if you don't have a budget. how to you set the priorities of senate and congress it's unacceptable. >> you've been at state of the union addresses and you have experience at that level of government. what are the...
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no, harry reid is not a more powerful guy. but i do agree in the end, if the president will stop demagoguing, and if he'll stop running a presidential campaign, a permanent campaign that david brooks is talking about, al, i think you're right. i think the president, at the end, may actually make some decisions that will upset his own base, change cpi, on hopefully -- hopefully he won't take paul krugman's position and say we'll worry about medicare in 2025 when it starts to melt down. hopefully he'll be a little more responsible than that. i think he will. >> yes. >> but the problem, i think, goes back to mika's point. in all of the attacking the president, he has a plan on the table. you can say is demagoguing. the revenues that he's putting on the table from the taxes add up. the republicans have just come back saying, we're not putting revenue on the table, but they have not come up with a counterproposal. they haven't even shown up. the problem with the david brooks problem is the sequence of events. we set up sequestratio
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of people who you can look to as sort of bellweathers for how much we're going to get legislatively, harry reid was also on the sunday shows this weekend doing what i will call a delicate political kabuki theater dance around the question of the assault weapons ban. let's hear what he had to say. >> frankly, she knows i haven't read her amendment. i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it was -- didn't make sense, but i'll take a look at it. >> how about restriction on high capacity magazines for ammunition? >> i think that's something we definitely have to take a look at. >> take a look or vote for? >> well, let's see what it is. >> i guess that's not shutting the door, right? we'll take a look at it is the opening the door to this ok the floor of the senate, so maybe that is a good sign for people advocating for gun safety laws? >> i think it is a good sign, and lots of democrats want to be in the place where reid is. saying essentially, oh, i'm not really for the assault wepdz ban, but i do support these other measures. that's looked like -- if you think about somebody
of people who you can look to as sort of bellweathers for how much we're going to get legislatively, harry reid was also on the sunday shows this weekend doing what i will call a delicate political kabuki theater dance around the question of the assault weapons ban. let's hear what he had to say. >> frankly, she knows i haven't read her amendment. i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it was -- didn't make sense, but i'll take a look at it. >> how about restriction...
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harry reid said i made a deal with mcconnell it's going to be ok. the republicans aren't going to filibuster. dick durbin said at the time: cenk: positive environment, the republicans aren't going to filibuster anymore. they got a deal, so we didn't have to take it away. what happened today when senator hagel, a republican up for secretary of defense? the republicans filibustered. >> on this vote, the aye58 the nays 40, one senator announced present. 50% of the senators not having voted in the affirmative, the motion is not agreed to. cenk: even though 58 senators say yes let's end the debate and confirm him nope, not going to end the debate, because the republicans filibustering. now harry reid is shocked to find out that the republicans were not true to their word! >> the republicans have made an unfortunate choice to up the level here in washington. just when you thought things couldn't get worse, it gets worse. we need this vote today. why? times like this, it's nice to have a secretary of defense. cenk: man, harry reid, oh, you're killing 'em y
harry reid said i made a deal with mcconnell it's going to be ok. the republicans aren't going to filibuster. dick durbin said at the time: cenk: positive environment, the republicans aren't going to filibuster anymore. they got a deal, so we didn't have to take it away. what happened today when senator hagel, a republican up for secretary of defense? the republicans filibustered. >> on this vote, the aye58 the nays 40, one senator announced present. 50% of the senators not having voted...
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reid. but of course reid survived the challenge from tea partier sharron angle. let's remember, senator mcconnell said his number one priority was to make president obama a one-term president. let's turn to adam green tonight, co-founder of the pccc whose organization has taken out an ad against mitch mcconnell. this ad, adam -- good to have you with us tonight. this slick ad from american crossroads, doesn't it show how seriously republicans are taking judd as a possible candidate? your thoughts. >> it definitely shows that. and after karl rove's 1% win record in 2012, if i were ashley judd, i would be feeling pretty good right now. the law of average says if karl rove spends money attacking you in ads, you're probably good to win. >> how significant would a mcconnell loss to be? your organization has taken out an ad. and if you look at the poll numbers of mitch mcconnell in kentucky done right now done by one of the local newspapers, only 17% say they're going to vote for mcconnell. 34% s
reid. but of course reid survived the challenge from tea partier sharron angle. let's remember, senator mcconnell said his number one priority was to make president obama a one-term president. let's turn to adam green tonight, co-founder of the pccc whose organization has taken out an ad against mitch mcconnell. this ad, adam -- good to have you with us tonight. this slick ad from american crossroads, doesn't it show how seriously republicans are taking judd as a possible candidate? your...
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there was a gentleman who called an earlier demonstrating -- denigrating harry reid. but also bring up the fact that the senate has been redefined with new rules by the republicans to have a super majority rather than the 51 that is necessary. they had dictated it is 60 votes necessary. that is why he has not been able to get anything done. the only thing harry reid is guilty of is not rearranging the filibuster rules that would be advantageous to the american public. i have a sticker on my car that says "keeping millions out of work to put one man out of a job." that has been the republican agenda all along. president obama is doing what he is doing not at his whim but at the majority of the people's women. host: john, a republican and color. the head. caller: -- republican caller. go ahead. caller: i do not have a problem with president of? using the the executive order. george washington used the executive order. harry truman used the executive order. i might disagree with some of the things that president obama does, but i will not say that he has become a dictato
there was a gentleman who called an earlier demonstrating -- denigrating harry reid. but also bring up the fact that the senate has been redefined with new rules by the republicans to have a super majority rather than the 51 that is necessary. they had dictated it is 60 votes necessary. that is why he has not been able to get anything done. the only thing harry reid is guilty of is not rearranging the filibuster rules that would be advantageous to the american public. i have a sticker on my car...
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we sit down with the man most responsible for passing the president's agenda, senate leader harry reid, the gatekeeper only on "this week." >>> plus, all the week's politics and super bowl predictions on our powerhouse roundtable with nobel prize-winning economist paul krugman of "the new york times," former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina and jorge ramos of univision, congressman lou barletta and abc's matthew dowd. >>> hello again. president obama says that our headliner has the toughest job in washington. top republicans complain that he makes it harder than he needs to be, and no single senator will have more influence over the president's agenda than harry reid, who we met for in the capitol on friday for this exclusive interview. he was feisty and confident, especially on this week's top issue, immigration reform. >> it has to get done. we have to work hard to get it done. it's really easy to write principles, to write legislation, much harder, and once we write the legislation, we have to get it passed, but i think things are looking really good. they're looking good for a num
we sit down with the man most responsible for passing the president's agenda, senate leader harry reid, the gatekeeper only on "this week." >>> plus, all the week's politics and super bowl predictions on our powerhouse roundtable with nobel prize-winning economist paul krugman of "the new york times," former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina and jorge ramos of univision, congressman lou barletta and abc's matthew dowd. >>> hello again. president obama says...
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this is a harry reid-mitch mcconnell discussion right now. republicans have passed a bill to sequester bills. true an untruth. that was last year before the 113th congress. those bills are no longer legally liable. they are meaningless. they will have to pass meaningful bills. host: where was john hogan when g.w.b. was running all of that debt and deficit? caller: good morning. president obama wants to raise the taxes on the corporate jet owners and the oil company subsidies and things like that. of that will come back onto the middle class. we will have $5 or $6 a gallon gasoline. he cannot force people at the oil companies to take because he was then to take. if they do that to be sequestered, we will not have any cuts at all. he just wants to pass it on to us. it is similar to what happens in the space when they run into a fiscal problem. they always complain we will lose firemen and policemen and you will not have the streets plowed. that is the excuse they use. obama is using the excuse is that the poor will not have any money to cut thi
this is a harry reid-mitch mcconnell discussion right now. republicans have passed a bill to sequester bills. true an untruth. that was last year before the 113th congress. those bills are no longer legally liable. they are meaningless. they will have to pass meaningful bills. host: where was john hogan when g.w.b. was running all of that debt and deficit? caller: good morning. president obama wants to raise the taxes on the corporate jet owners and the oil company subsidies and things like...
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i mean, isn't this harry reid's fault? harry had a chance to change the rules of the senate and he was too nice to mitch mcconnell and now look what we've got. there's probably more to come. your thoughts. >> i suppose so, though i remember not very long ago when we were all suffering under the george w. bush administration and there was a real fear that without the filibuster then george bush would have been able to put some of his very radical extremists on the bench and push through more of his agenda. so i understand the reticence to kind of unleash the nuclear option. and you know, i don't think you can necessarily blame harry reid for the unprecedented not just obstructionism but kind of paranoid lunacy of this new crop of senators who, you know, before i think we used to see this sort of incredibly paranoid mccarthyite apocalyptic view of american foreign policy among some of the characters in the house -- >> doesn't that make the case for why harry should have done, this because of the ted cruzes of the world and t
i mean, isn't this harry reid's fault? harry had a chance to change the rules of the senate and he was too nice to mitch mcconnell and now look what we've got. there's probably more to come. your thoughts. >> i suppose so, though i remember not very long ago when we were all suffering under the george w. bush administration and there was a real fear that without the filibuster then george bush would have been able to put some of his very radical extremists on the bench and push through...
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reid for saying he hadn't read dianne feinstein's bill banning assault weapons. >> how can harry reid, a fellow democrat, and i'm willing to criticize him, say he hasn't read the bill. this is an emergency. let's knock off the washington baloney and support the president and get some things done. >> the white house wants to overload washington's political circuits. an effort to see what it can get through congress without letting congress and particularly congressional republicans, define what issues get addressed. republican leaders are making it clear they prefer to talk about just one thing before the march budget shutdown. >> this was supposed to be the day that the president submitted his budget to the congress. but it's not coming. i think that's too bad. our economy could use some presidential leadership right now. >> and top senate republican mitch mcconnell was just as eager to talk budget hitting the floor to slam democrats for floating new revenue proposals. >> this is just another opportunity to trot out the democrat focus group approved policy stunt. if this is another fa
reid for saying he hadn't read dianne feinstein's bill banning assault weapons. >> how can harry reid, a fellow democrat, and i'm willing to criticize him, say he hasn't read the bill. this is an emergency. let's knock off the washington baloney and support the president and get some things done. >> the white house wants to overload washington's political circuits. an effort to see what it can get through congress without letting congress and particularly congressional republicans,...
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that have kept -- that's kept harry reid in office there. and there seems to be a recognition by some donors that you can't let the most extreme elements run your party. >> so let's see how the gun debate fits into this next story. a group of republican donors is rolling out a new effort to try and fend off tea party challengers who say they're hurting the gop's chances of taking control of the senate. it's called a conservative victory party. and it's backed by karl rove and the super pac american crossroads. their aim, to institutionalize the buckley rule by supporting in primaries the most conservative candidate who can actually win a general election. the new effort is meant to be a counterweight to more hard-line conservative groups that have spent big money on primary challengers to their liking. the organization is already eyeing seats being vacated by democratic senator tom harkin of iowa and republican senator saxby chambliss of georgia. i'm just wondering, do you need to -- is the same well where you want to go to renew the republi
that have kept -- that's kept harry reid in office there. and there seems to be a recognition by some donors that you can't let the most extreme elements run your party. >> so let's see how the gun debate fits into this next story. a group of republican donors is rolling out a new effort to try and fend off tea party challengers who say they're hurting the gop's chances of taking control of the senate. it's called a conservative victory party. and it's backed by karl rove and the super...
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president's agenda than harry reid, who we met for in the capitol on friday for this exclusive interview. he was feisty and confident, especially on this week's top issue, immigration reform. >> it has to get done. we have to work hard to get it done. it's really easy to write principles, to write legislation, much harder, and once we write the legislation, we have to get it passed, but i think things are looking really good. they're looking good for a number of reason, the right thing to do and, number two, the republicans can no longer stop this. they've tried it and it hasn't worked. look at what they tried to do to me a couple of years ago, look at what they tried to do with the president just this last time, and it just didn't work. >> but it still seems there will be a big sticking point, the biggest, i see, tie between border security and the path to citizenship for the illegal immigrants. senator rubio, part of the bipartisan group of senators said unless you have real triggers, he's not going to support the bill. >> that trigger is critically important, otherwise it will never h
president's agenda than harry reid, who we met for in the capitol on friday for this exclusive interview. he was feisty and confident, especially on this week's top issue, immigration reform. >> it has to get done. we have to work hard to get it done. it's really easy to write principles, to write legislation, much harder, and once we write the legislation, we have to get it passed, but i think things are looking really good. they're looking good for a number of reason, the right thing to...